This week, Zac sits down with Dave Catling. Dave is the founder and principle consultant of Phoenix Ops (https://www.phoenixops.io/), a boutique cybersecurity firm based in the Philadelphia area. Zac and Dave discuss the similarities and overlaps in their career paths, Evilnginx 3.0 (https://github.com/kgretzky/evilginx2) for conducting social engineering campaigns, and finally Dave tells a story about how a voice phishing engagement lead to a call to the local PD.